The Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit

I was recently asked on a website, by someone named Tim, a Protestant, this question:

“Please do tell me how that works. How does the Holy Spirit guide YOU through the Catholic Church? Any robot could say “The Catholic church is the only true church”.

 

Although the following isn’t exactly what I told him, it does catch the jist of it.  I will add, as I do want to use this example of how the Holy Spirit does guide the Catholic Church.

 

 

So, the question more or less is:  How does the Holy Spirit guide ME through the Catholic Church?

After thinking about this very good question from Tim, I thought I’d start in scripture first and work my way forward.  So I asked a list of questions which the Apostolic Church had to address in Apostolic times.  That question occurs in the Book of the Acts of the Apostles,  St. Paul and St. Barnabus went to Jerusalem to address a problem that had come up in some of the Churches that St. Paul was evangelizing.  It was the question of whether the Gentile converts had to be made Jewish first, and be circumcised before becoming followers of Christ.  This group become known as the Judaizer party.

 

 

  • Is Tim a Judaizer?
  • Is Tim a Nicolaitan?
  • Is Tim a Gnostic?
  • Is Tim a Montanist?
  • Is Tim a Sabellianist?
  • Is Tim a Arian?
  • Is Tim a Nestorian?
  • Is Tim a Pelagian or Semi-Pelagian?
  • Is Tim a Monophysite?
  • Is Tim a Catharist?
  • Is Tim a Anabaptist?
  • Is Tim a Lutheran?
  • Is Tim a Calvinist?
  • Is Tim a Morman?
  • Is Tim a member or one of the 45,000 different denominations of Protestantism?
What I ended up saying to Tim is that this is how the Holy Spirit protects and GUIDES Christ’s Church.  This is just one example of how the Holy Spirit protected the Apostolic Church against false teachings and heresies.  It is the funcion of the Church to expose every new wind of doctrine, of the trickery of men, who by craftiness in deceitful scheming can have have introduced false doctrines onto the faithful.  This has been occuring since Apostolic times.
The Holy Spirit, working through the Church, has throughout history, guided the church that Jesus Christ established on the faith of the Apostles with Himself as the Cornerstone.  One of the functions of the Church is to open the eyes of the blind who have been deluded and bewitched into believing the precepts of men. Such men as these men: Nicolaitas, Arius, Montanus, Nestorius, Pelagius, Huss, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Knox, Smyth, Smith, Smith, Smith, Johnson, Eddy, Smith, Young, and the list is around 45,000 other heretics long.

 

I reminded this person that Satan always comes as an angel of light, but is always found to be a wolf in sheeps clothing.  Another example is the Nicolaitans, warned about by Jesus Christ Himself.  Jesus hates heresy and curses those who do not follow Apostolic teaching and preaching.  Another point I made to Tim was that the Church didn’t start in 1517.  It started in the Upper Room on Pentecost 33 A.D.. There were 13 people present in the Upper Room that day. The 12 Apostles and Mary, the Mother of God. Mary encountered the Holy Spirit at the Incarnation of the Son of God, and again she encounters the Holy Spirit, this time at another birth: The birth of the Church, The one and only Church He established on the faith of the Apostles with Himself as the cornerstone.

 

A few examples on this matter from the Book of Acts will make sense on how the Holy Spirit guides the Church.  In chapter 15, St. Peter and then St. James both speak in one voice and rule that the Mosaic law requiring circumcision was no longer a requirement for Jewish converts who accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah.  Nor were the Gentile converts required to be circumcised, (Acts 15:6-11, Acts 15:13-29).

The key point in Acts 15 is verse 15:28

“For it seemed good to the HOLY SPIRIT and to US to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:”
Here is exactly how the Holy Spirit guided the early Church and still guides the Church.  And the Church that is quided by the Holy Spirit is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.  The amazing thing is I keep hearing that the early churches were separate entities.  This is clearly an unbiblical view or belief.  Why would the Apostles and Elders of the Jerusalem Church send out letters to all the churches.  In Acts 15:22-24 –

 

22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, 23 with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, …..

 

Notice that the Apostles, Elders and the Whole Church have SENT others out.  These are SENT.  Those SENT are on an Apostolic mission.  The Church is not in disunity unless they are being taught something not from the Apostles or those sent by Apostles and Elders.  Think of both the Judaizers and the Nicolaitans.
Another example of the Holy Spirit guiding the early Church can be seen in Acts 16:6-10

 

6 Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. 7 When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to. 8 So they passed by Mysia and went down to Troas. 9 During the night Paul had a vision of a man of Macedonia standing and begging him, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.” 10 After Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at once to leave for Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.
John 16:13

 

If anyone answers “Yes” to any of the above questions, then that person is not a member of The Church that Jesus Christ established on earth on the Faith of the Apostles with Himself as the cornerstone.

That Church is The Catholic Church.

 

In the Peace of Christ,
R. Zell
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77 thoughts on “The Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit

  1. Obviously I am conversing with an imbecile… no answer what so ever just blathering on repeating the same moronic screed ad nauseam.

    Dumbass, you indicated it is a mitzvah. I keep asking you which one. In response you just run around making more assertions. Declarative assertions such as you make are the final bastion of an unreasonable mindless cultic fanatic.

    I keep asking for a the relevant mitzvah which concerns the washing of hands. The Jews enumerated every one of the mitzvot and codified it. Yet, all you can do is blather nonsense. Is it that hard to provide me the exact mitzvah to back you claim. It is obvious you do not know the mitzvot.

    What is so hard here….

    You claim that there is a mitzvah which obliges that all persons wash their hands before they eat. All I am asking is which one of the mitzvah obliges that all persons wash their hands before they eat. If you cannot provide the relevant mitzvah you are a liar, plain and simple. All you have to do is provide the mitzvah. Don’t tell me Lev 11-15… that is a lot for one simple mitzvah!!!

    WRITE OUT THE EXACT MITZVAH FOR ME… that is all I am asking. Is that so hard? If you cannot, you are a liar.

    Funny how an idiot like you cannot provide the relevant mitzvah, yet, can attempt to explain what the Rebbe had to say about the unclean made clean… Do you even know which discourse I am talking about? I suspect you do not know what I am even talking about. Like an idiot, you declare “nonsense” without knowing anything in the discourses or the tradition.

    All you have done is read your bible and interpreted it yourself. That is Protestantism. Combine that with the nuttery provided by your demon possessed prophetess Ellen G White’s utterances in her demonic trances can explain much of the idiocy you blather.

    Advise to other idiots and other posers like you… Do not call a gentile a goy or goyim; it is considered rude, especially when you are one yourself. Many Jews of my generation cringe when another Jew uses that word. An authentic Jew would usually call non-Jews gentiles rather than goyim. It just gives you away as a poser trying too hard.

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  2. “What is so hard here….”

    Well, for starters, your admission that you can’t even be bothered to read what I’ve posted.
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    “You claim that there is a mitzvah which obliges that all persons wash their hands before they eat.”

    Nope, You are the one who made that claim. In point of fact, it was YOU who made that claim.
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    ” All I am asking is which one of the mitzvah obliges that all persons wash their hands before they eat. If you cannot provide the relevant mitzvah you are a liar, plain and simple.”

    Yeah, we all got your question. We all saw how you just threw that into the mix. I didn’t bite. I simply stated the facts for all to see; facts which you still haven’t addressed.
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    ” Don’t tell me Lev 11-15″

    Leviticus 11-15 goes into plenty of detail on when to wash, yet you don’t want to look at this simple fact? Big surprise.
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    “… that is a lot for one simple mitzvah!!!”

    No, it’s a lot for someone who isn’t accustomed to reading. Your obsession with this being a “mitzvah” isn’t surprising given that you simply asserted that this was my assertion.
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    “WRITE OUT THE EXACT MITZVAH FOR ME…”

    I never claimed it was a MITZVAH.
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    ” that is all I am asking. Is that so hard?”

    Anyone who has read through this thread ought to find your incredulity a bit ironic, if not disingenuous, especially given the fact that you’ve neglected to respond to any of my points presented. Accusing me of presenting this as a mitzvah, when I clearly never did any such thing only spotlights your inability to engage in an honest discussion.
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    ” If you cannot, you are a liar.”

    More baseless accusations. You really are getting a bit tiresome. Are you ever going to join in the actual discussion, or are you just going to rant and rave till you have a coronary?
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    ” Do not call a gentile a goy or goyim;”

    Why are you going to exile me from this silly sad excuse for intelligent discussion?
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    ” it is considered rude,”

    LOL. The pot calling the kettle black. So we can safely assume that calling people “dumbass morons” is acceptable, right? I’ve seen no indication that you will be presented with any punishment for these silly posts of yours, so either there’s a blatant double standard here, or when one can’t refute their opponent, censor them instead.
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    “especially when you are one yourself.”

    Regardless of my ethnic or religious background, you still aren’t advancing an argument. Ad hominem attacks are just more silly distractions from silly goyim who will never learn how to engage in an intelligent conversation.
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    ” Many Jews of my generation cringe when another Jew uses that word.”

    Your generation? If you’ve graduated from high school, then you are an obvious product of a failed public school system. I doubt you’re old enough to have graduated from junior high.
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    ” An authentic Jew would usually call non-Jews gentiles rather than goyim”

    The True Scotsman fallacy.
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    “. It just gives you away as a poser trying too hard.”

    What I’m trying to do is find someone here who can address or even refute what I’ve posted so far. There really is no effort in posting my position. The effort is in waiting for someone to respond, and present an argument for their position. Instead what I’ve been presented with is ad hominem attacks and pointless distractions. When I post the relevant passages from the Torah all you can come up with is more ad hominem about my use of the word “goyim” Leave it to a papist to get all bent out of shape over a goyim using a Jewish word.

    I point out that Jews kept the holiness code as well as the purification rites outlined in their Torah, and all you can do is pretend that I’m referring to a mitzvoh, and engage in semantics. The fact that you’re so bent out of shape and on your high horse thinking that you actually may have pulled a fast one is pathetic. We can all see how you suddenly decided to engage in this thread once you thought you had an actual point to make which only spotlights the fact that you really have nothing to contribute to this topic at all.

    The real irony here is that you think you’re somehow insulting me by talking trash about Protestants, cults, etc. when I have no affiliation with any of them in the first place. Then when you decide to accuse me of coming up with this myself, as if thinking for oneself is something to be ashamed of; it should come as no surprise that I need never bother trying to insult you as you’re doing a splendid job of making a fool of yourself as it is. All I’ve done is point out the rope, which you eagerly proceeded to hang yourself with all by your lonesome.

    It goes without saying that those who are usually the most easily offended are usually the most offensive, and your posts are a glaring example of this obvious fact. Perhaps you’ll cry and complain that I be exiled again? If you can’t address any of the numerous simple questions I’ve presented then it could only be an improvement for me.

    Actually I’m really kind of surprised that my questions haven’t been removed; perhaps there’s hope for you yet. Then again, it may only be the fact that you know no one is ever going to read any of these threads ever again…

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